tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19626531.post33307106540776105..comments2023-11-02T08:32:39.646+01:00Comments on Ola Bini: Programming Language Synchronicity: Does established tools matter or - Is Ant support important?Ola Binihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15793488672952593953noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19626531.post-80000803042381807692008-01-04T03:40:00.000+01:002008-01-04T03:40:00.000+01:00Personally, I don't care what you do with/for ant,...Personally, I don't care what you do with/for ant, I won't be using it. How's that for pig-headed? And, more, I choose my tools so I don't have to think about ant. I guess I'm not a good example.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11273458419700575421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19626531.post-19959707919344308042008-01-03T21:33:00.000+01:002008-01-03T21:33:00.000+01:00Indeed, established tools matter to get adoption. ...Indeed, established tools matter to get adoption. A programming language won't be successful without. Good posts around Scala testing, Ola, all of them were fun to read! Thanks. (A comment from a Java zealot who usually complains that Scala doesn’t have a whiz-bang eclipsy toolset already.)Carl Rosenbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14828570538290265779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19626531.post-23467843755456467672008-01-03T13:47:00.000+01:002008-01-03T13:47:00.000+01:00Thanks for the follow-up, Ola! (I just read your l...Thanks for the follow-up, Ola! (I just read your latest post) [I may just add a correction about my name, it is Torreborre.]<BR/><BR/>On the tooling subject, I started by looking at Buildr when developing specs, but I was recently helped by a lift developer (David Bernard) to use Maven.<BR/><BR/>I think that using established tools may not be as important as using established conventions. My project was already ready for Maven in terms of structure, as were the repositories, the versions naming,... We've seen the story for Rails!<BR/><BR/>Ant has its qualities (it is a portable build system for instance), but it is really annoying that there are so many ways to create a build file for things that are so common: compile, test, deploy.<BR/><BR/>Now, I am far from satisfied from Maven. I find it opaque, verbose and having to fire-up IntelliJ to write/modify a simple plugin makes me mad. <BR/><BR/>As Scala may be a better language for the JVM, Buildr/Ruby may be a better language for the Maven infrastructure. I will definitely have a look at it in the future.<BR/><BR/>Eric.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16484514586929815703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19626531.post-21603602524599997922008-01-02T17:58:00.000+01:002008-01-02T17:58:00.000+01:00I see your point, but I think that as far as open ...I see your point, but I think that as far as open source goes, any developer with plans to build-it-yourself would be able to do it with another utility, especially if you provided a quick note on how-to (but at a minimum explain that you used Tool X). <BR/><BR/>If you felt it would be too difficult to download it, you could provide it in the repository assuming the license is right.<BR/><BR/>Because of that, I don't think it's as important as you do. But, that may be also because of a bit of selfishness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com